He was in the same team as Roy Keane in a five-a-side and Keane kept smashing his passes at the new striker. The two are extremely different. I'd sooner slash my wrists, be castrated and have all 4 limbs amputated, put to death by scaphism, then have my corpse drawn and quartered than sign on with the SAF. Regards,not so bitter law student, To Law student:I am not going to stoop to your level and trade personal insults. But I do wonder why if they are groomed to be stat board heads, they have to go thru the SAFOS (as in, military career) way? I thought my post was about showing how the perspectives between the two are different? 1. SINGAPORE – The Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) regrets that the commanders involved in the incident that caused Corporal First Class (CFC) Dave Lee’s death in 2018 failed to ensure the well-being of soldiers under their care, said the Ministry of Defence (Mindef). Wildboar, specially catered to assess the scholars-to-be.Under stress, fatigue(of being in the field for so long, don't compare it to BMT's field camp, it's really nothing), it is how they assess them.Besides, these scholars-to-be are given appointment positions(Cadet Wing Commander(OC equivalent), Cadet Wing Sergeant major(CSM equivalent), Cadet Wing 2IC(Coy 2IC equivalent) and the normal platoon level appointment holders, CPC, CPS..It is during their terms as such appointment holders(which last about 1 month) that they are also assessed..Being able to manage the entire wing since in OCS, taking up leadership is foremost..btw, SPFOS are also in OCS together with the SAFOS scholars..SPF uses SAF's assessments to award the SPFOSThe scholars last all the way to about the 2nd week of ST2(which is abuot 12 weeks in OCS) before they get disrupted to go for their PSC pre-departure course, where they are given lessons on all sorts of stuff, seminars, political stuff(SMS scholars do not disrupt as yet)About 5-6 weeks later, after their PDC, the SAFOS scholars may or not join back(SPFOS no longer joins back) and go on a little more training till the Pro term starts..At this point of time, their uni will more or less be starting, hence they disrupt officially at this point of time to go study. My original post is not ‘bitter’ as you claim. I was from RJC, so people who do well are the norm, not the exception. But at the end of it, the SFC is extended by another 2 days for Ex. “The SAF regrets that … Read More >> Spending 20 over years in the army shapes your thinking. Spread the loveSINGAPORE: The Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) regrets that the commanders involved in an incident that led to full-time national serviceman Dave Lee’s death had breached regulations and thus failed in their duties, said the Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) on Thursday (Jan 28). My cousin is an Army scholar, and I can safely say that he is nothing short of brilliant, not only academically but he has proven his capabilities and really earned his stripes in the Army. The objectives, incentives, management style, modus operandi...etc. Although there is the rare example of such success, which I consider an amazing feat worthy of recognition. The 'closest' general, Colin Pow Wow Wow has left. The internet was slow when I clicked the button to post so I reclicked it. Agagooga: I'm not at liberty to disclose how he has earned his stripes. Drop me an. Managing logistics and human resource of that scale, is NOT THE SAME as the number of people you verbally speak to. His discombobulation was partly the fault of Patrice Evra, who was also hauled off at half time in his first start for the club. Instead, Cantona provided panache. In fact I know you'd know as an NS man that military information is classified.As i said, no other profession literally gives the same level of commanding and leading and logistic management skills. Eric Djemba-Djemba: £3.5m from Nantes. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has encouraged teams to sign Colin Kaepernick, adding the league will also welcome the quarterback's off-the-field guidance on social justice. And there's even lesser need to compare that to a average consultant, doctor or investment banker, who manages less than 10 people at the peak of their careers. this is dependent on your ability of course, but if you can get the scholarship you are probably capable enough. During their styudy breaks, they do go on for military courses at overseas military institutes too) Upon coming back, depending on which formation they choose(Commandoes, Guards, Infantry, Armour, Artillery..) they will carry on their training(be it CCC, GCC) and get sent to units to do their PC, Staff, Instructor tours..In one year after coming back, they get promoted to the rank of CPTFrom then on, their rate of promotion depends more on their performance. simple - they don't think that the army sucks. Manchester United have appointed David Moyes on a six-year deal to replace Sir Alex Ferguson. Of course he does talk to some of the other officers but overall, this are the people he directly ‘motivates’ and ‘leads’ (perfectly in line with hierarchal nature of army). United's most expensive signing of all time is still adored by fans, but Ferguson never worked out how to get the best from him. Anonymous: I was referring to things like going to China to do charity work.2) How about working your way up the rungs as a civil servant? oh. Sans Regrets thoroughbred Horse profile, next race, formguide, stats, breeding, news, Jockey and trainer information for race Horse Sans Regrets from Racing and Sports. Contributors welcome. Due changes made.But overall I think my rant was more accurate than ill-informed. There was tension within the club after so long without a title, and Bruce had been critical of his team's lack of goals on local TV the night before the game. Safety of our soldiers is a core value and should never be compromised during training. (Well, the new DSTA head is an ex-admiral) Honestly how many Generals you need for a small army like the SAF? at least i hope not.as for their aims, some actually want to be military leaders and do crazy stuff like jump out of airplanes and blow shit up =) as mad as that stuff sounds to you and me, i'm glad that people like them are defending my country from terrorists when i just type stuff, so pls don't diss the SAFOS guys! I just feel that you should be more enlightened and edified on certain essential facts about the SAF scholarship system before you post an ill-informed rant on it. I apologize for that. When looking to replace Van der Sar, United's scouts looked for someone who could build attacks from the back – a style developed by Schmeichel's long throws and perfected by Van Der Saar's unerring boots. When Sir Alex Ferguson leaves the home dugout at Old Trafford for the last time on Sunday afternoon, he can look back on a career unparalleled in English football. Modest to the end, he stuck Jaap Stam at left-back. What is the leading and commanding experience of a 31 year old investment banker?The experience of a SAFOS in the Army directly befits the role of a government official in a statutory board or a minister. you can still become doctor or lawyer or scientists or lecturers. RENTON, Wash. (AP)Seattle Seahawks coach Pete Carroll revisited the team’s history with Colin Kaepernick on Thursday and expressed regret for not signing Kaepernick when given the opportunity. United's most expensive signing of all time is still adored by fans, but Ferguson never worked out how to get the best from him. It's a well-known fact. Login: Register: FAQ: Mark Forums Read [Serious] I regretted not signing on with the SAF as an Officer 3Likes. ]You have proven my point exactly. SINGAPORE — The Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) expressed regret that commanders who were involved in the incident that led to the death of Corporal … 1 hour ago. Maybe if you all cast your bitter prejudices aside because you never did as well in school as scholars did, you'd be able to see the sense that the rest of the world always knew. Clogging up the page doesn't make you more credible.As for the actual number of subordinates that a SAFOS deals with in their daily work day, i'm sure YOU, who haven't as you admitted, seen your COL in the flesh before, would have a VERY ACCURATE picture that your COL only deals with 6 people in his day. Top investment banks and consultancies practise 'up or out'. But managing large numbers, even if not tangentially, does not equate to good private sector/ stat board performance. If you wish to include people only tangentially or nominally linked to the commander as being managed and led by them, then a CEO at DHL would have over 3.5 million + 170 000 people under him as every delivery boy and customer are served and managed in some way by him. The culture in the different organizations are simply too great for most SAFOS people to breach successfully. Did I hear men in uniform? He took on the challenge of Manchester City and wrestled back the Premier League trophy to Old Trafford. Maybe that's how court cases are done, but we're not doing a court case now - we're having general discussions about slavery, and throwing in miscellaneous facts does not detract from the veracity of our arguments.Once they get to high ranks, officers don't really deal with people often. Same goes to the other guy you mentioned. SKH, you sound really agitated. Many United fans hope Solskjaer will take over from Ferguson. They reasoned that he was an overpriced, aging and injury-prone striker who had put in one decent season in his Arsenal career. Commanders who breached training and discipline regulations in this incident failed in their duties and have been dealt with accordingly. I am from a neighborhood school and I am proud of it.As for grades, I do not care how well I do relative to the scholars as they have their own interests and I have mine. "We speak about that first game quite often," says Vidic. major?) Look at the list and you'll find that most of our ministers, perm secretaries, minister of state, CEO of GLCs are ex SAFOS. Massimo Taibi made only four league appearances for United, but his howler against Southampton remains extremely popular on YouTube. SAF is the place where you don't need to be very capable and still got great year-end bonus.. while the rest of the ppl in the economic sector are working their ass off to improve the economy, SAF ppl just need to sit there to collect the bonus when the economy is doing good. Can YOU come up with a profession that tops a high ranked military officer in terms of commanding and leading and inspiring? ", 10. Please refer to his claim again for reference, 2) Top brass in the Army are equipped with the necessary skills to MACROmanage a large organisation due to the organisational structure and framework of the military, both in terms of logistics and human resource.Please don't make me repeat myself by regurgitating non sequitur ramblings. Even after Keane's misadventures managing Sunderland and Ipswich Town, some United supporters would welcome him back with open arms. Some Arsenal fans were happy enough to see the back of Robin van Persie last summer. Sony and the Environment How we’re reducing our eco-footprint through energy efficiency and recycling initiatives. I am simply pointing out that Agagooga has ignored the difference in perspective between NSFs and Regulars that results in vastly different attitudes to SAF.Regards,SKH P.s. It is a simple fact that in the private sector, if you do not make your performance targets, you can be easily replaced and booted out. Why would trivia about their careers, lives or hairstyles for that matter, affect the veracity that they were all from the Army?So please, don't come crying foul, that NO ONE here tried to invalidate cogent arguments through adducing nonsensical titbits and trivia. 3) Obliviousness - Some recipients of (local) study awards I spoke to in my tenure as a slave told me they regretted signing on. But he hasn't quite cartwheeled out of the club like Peter Schmeichel did on 26 May 1999. When they return, they are working in a JOB and advancing their CAREER, which the rest of us are not. Anyway this discussion has gone way off course, and I don't feel the interest nor need to continue it. Maybe I had the right attitude. Hence, they do not see it as forced servitude but simply as what they need to do to feed themselves.Regards,SKH, I think this might shed some much needed perspective on why SAFOS scholars willingly take up the scholarship in spite of a supposedly 'regimented' life.http://www.scholar.mindef.gov.sg/ourscholars_succ_intro.aspSAFOS are catapulted to prominent positions in GLCs and ministries after their tenure. By. Even under the Bush administration which I so despised and this war time period, Bush closest aides, Condolezza and Rumsfield spent a large part of their careers in the private sector. How many NSF 2LTA is needed to fill up all the officer positions? How can a SAFOS be a Cpt at 42 years old? He was totally worthless. I would like to point out that I never said that SAFOS are stupid. Bear in mind that, leading and managing a stat board requires the immense logistic management skills that an top Army officer possesses. Running an organization that has large numbers is no proof of ability as most SAFOS people posted in have time only for at most one or two issues before they are promoted out. People tell me that PC and OC tours are usually viewed with disdain by SAFOS scholars, and they yearn to finish that part of their careers quickly.The thing is, even if military careers do give you some skills, they are all in military contexts. it's hard to generalize because they're quite different people. However, I applaud your ingenius insight that shone in the remaining points.-Someone Who Knows Better. *respect* the freedoms you and I enjoy are protected by force, and I happen to like the fact that capable intelligent guys like the safos bunch are the ones managing that force, and if you pay peanuts you get monkeys so I'm willing to spend that tax money to ensure we get better apes. Bébé: £7.4 million from Vitória de Guimarães, Bébé's insight into his relationship with Ferguson illustrates how badly his move worked out: "He told me to cut my hair, it will look better. United lost 4-1 to Manchester City that day, but Vidic can now look back on the occasion and smile. Anyway, who bothers about management in the army? This is NOT due to their lack of capabilities, but simply due to habits formed from spending most of their career in a very 'unique' work environment!Regards,SKH. During their ending years of service, they are already on the board of directors of a few companies, and most probably have taken up an extra SAF scholarship to pursue their MBAsAnd when they retire, it's up to who poaches them in :). When he picks his final team to run out at Old Trafford on Sunday, he could almost pick an Under-23 team, including David De Gea, Phil Jones, Rafael Da Silva, Chris Smalling, Danny Welbeck and Tom Cleverley. One secretary maybe? 6. Solskjaer was known as a super sub while at United, and while he was capable of coming off the bench and scoring four goals in 12 minutes, he was also an intelligent and accomplished striker who could double up as a right-winger. All SAFOS scholars are promised the rank of Col by the time they finish their service. End of the day: bottomline, don't be bitter. In a Facebook post on Thursday (Jan 28), Mindef said that commanders who breached training and … all of the ones i know, however, are very cool guys and natural leaders (SKH and I roomed with one for a week!) Why are you citing bit information and trivia like what else they did with their lives, or whether they resigned to overturn an argument? In 2009, most United fans would have splashed the £80m the club received for Cristiano Ronaldo on any number of big signings, but Ferguson had other ideas. Tours refer to tours of duty and for SAFOS scholars, they are rotated between command (PC, OC, CO, and so on) and staff tours.SAFOS scholars get their CPT rank very early, all of them are CPT by the time they are doing their PC tour, hence "Companies" under him, you would mean OC tours? And once you're in your 30s, it gets harder to learn stuff in University. © 2021 Guardian News & Media Limited or its affiliated companies. Charity work:The reason why I brought up charity work is because you said “Maybe if you all cast your bitter prejudices aside because you never did as well in school as scholars did, you'd be able to see the sense that the rest of the world always knew.” You are implying that getting a scholarship and doing well in school is the definition of happiness, and unhappiness on the part of others stem from not achieving this aim. As an investment banker, you surely have immense knowledge in the financial world. Agagooga: I did not have a particularly terrible time. This is NOT due to their lack of capabilities, but simply due to habits formed from spending most of their career in a very 'unique' work environment!Regards,SKH----That's the point I am trying to make... the army didn't provide a good place for them to be developed into stats board heads, but they are often placed as stats board heads.. kind of mismatch. Condolezza is primarily an academic, not a corporate person. 7. actually if you don’t have any intention of to sign on with uniform group then you dont have to worry. Cantona played his part, but the Neville brothers, Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt and David Beckham were already workaholics. The culture in the different organizations are simply too great for most SAFOS people to breach successfully. A Col makes close to 10K but not over 10K. Most people have difficulty making a leap from one corporation to another as it is, SAFOS people simply have it much worse. All in all, SAFOS get a pretty good deal due to the ready entry into politics, high stability and latitude of incompetence tolerated (not to say that SAFOS are incompetent, just a description of the type of job.) as for retired SAFOS guys going into senior bureaucrat positions, i think the theory (its in tim huxley's defending the lion city) is that it creates a civil-military nexus that prevents a coup detat, by coopting the top brass into the power structure. "I only paid £170,000 but still get condemned for it," says Ferguson. However, I do not see how dissing the background (versus the arguments) of those you argue with helps your case. Apologies! I am simply trying to show that it is possible to be happy by taking a different path in life and that I do not see how you arrive at your terribly amusing claim that we are ‘bitter’ because we are not SAFOS people. Or has he just gone through his Tour of Duty and been promoted accordingly?Just how does an SAF career prepare one for Civilian life? Ferguson has bought wisely in the last few years, but his attempts to find value in the market have produced varying results over the past 27 years. He's incredibly far removed from the loosest concept of a scholar and is rotting in a dumping ground course (ARTS!!?! All i want to do now is to go to China and do that photo project of rural China that I have always longed to do.Regards,SKH. Moreover, it makes sense for the government to despatch the best men they groom in the Army right from the beginning of their service. He excelled at running fast and stepping over the ball, but wasn't so good at kicking it. As soon as Yorke miscontrolled one of these overhit passes, Keane strolled over to him, shook his head witheringly and said: "Welcome to United. The Cameroon player let his big move go to his head. he seems crazy from our perspective, but he has his motivations.as a specialist it may be rather difficult to see how life in the army can be good, but as a SAFOS scholar you're almost guaranteed a smooth rise through the ranks. That's all it takes. This also negates your point no.5. For the real security classification, just downgrade the putative classification by one level.Leading? Roy Keane: £3.75m from Nottingham Forest. Challenging a long held practice with such spite and bile, that is not without merit obviously, otherwise it wouldn't be a uniform (pardon the pun) practice held by the rest of the world, only casts you in a bitter light that reeks of sour grapes. "Wind Feynman, just for your info, a Cpt already makes 4-5K at 25 years old. By age 31, at the end of their service, they would be either a LTC or a COL, and would be commanding close to 500 men. How illogical is it when almost all other governments practise the same thing? (Minimal A level credits, having been in OCS, nothing else whatsoever)It is clear why the local study awardees you spoke to regret their indenture. Going by this logic, we could say that everyone condemns Hitler only because they are incapable of rising to lead their nation, starting a World War and trying to exterminate a race.I know people who did well who dislike the SAF, but you'd find some way to discount them. Vidic can afford to chuckle about his debut and he has also produced a few laughs in the Old Trafford crowd, by inspiring one of the chants that ring around the ground: "He comes from Serbia, he'll fucking murder ya. Look at the American political hierarchy, for a most apparent example. Dwight Yorke tells a story about his first day training with Manchester United. As a volunteer for SWB Boston for the past three years, Saf (pictured far right) has served in a variety of roles: coaching, tutoring, driving, and supporting special events. Job security 100% confirmed. In fact, the day they receive their sword from the Minister as commissioned 2LTA is also the day they receive their SAFOS award.So, no, SAFOS don't receive preferential treatment at BMT in the least. Complete waste of resources. I think it's plain for all to see that in ALMOST ALL governments, the closest aides to the leader of the nation, and the most high ranking politicians are/were from the Army. At that time, Carroll said Seattle chose not to […] They do not have to worry about their lack of skills as most statutory boards and GLCs will (as my friend at McKinsey puts it) at least give them 'face' and hire them.I do not support or love the army but I would like to point out a different perspective. The 'closest' general, Colin Pow Wow Wow has left. Van der Sar was everything a keeper should be: composed, focused and he could pick a pass. SAFOS is definitely a way to climb to the top of the political ladder in Singapore... high-ranking officals get PLACED at stat boards when there's a need to clear them from the over-crowded rank of the Generals so that the young ones can get promoted. Captain Tan Baoshu, … 9. Currently, PC1 is a SAFOS, PC3 is a SMS, while PC2 is a award holder.In Service Term 1, there is the normal Section Field Camp every wing in OCS has to teach section level skills to the cadets. "Oh, I forgot to address this part.Assuming that people deplore something only because they are jealous is ridiculous. Simply putting the strength under the CO’s name does not mean that they are in any SIGNIFICANT way managed by him. By the time Cristiano Ronaldo moved to Real Madrid in the summer of 2009, a lot of United fans were happy to see him go. you can still be HOD or reach manager level. 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People tell me they go in with the "right attitude" and come out disillusioned and bitter.I'll be the first to admit that I didn't go in with the "right attitude", but the "right attitude" does not change objective reality.The SAF is a screwed up place - on this fact, most people agree. He inspired the team that won the inaugural Premier League; he scored the penalties in the 1994 FA Cup final to set up the club's first Double and he kept alive the aura of the No7 shirt. Bortles' signing over Kaepernick prompted some criticism to come at the Broncos. Here's how an historic day panned out. I can't see SAF willing to discard all that investment by kicking out scholars who under-perform (short of a MAJOR screw up). So expecting everyone to go for "Duty, Honour and Country", and to be willing slaves is ridiculous.You also seem to pick on miscellaneous bits that we throw in, not necessarily for the sake of advancing our arguments, and then claiming that they're extraneous and so our arguments are less valid. And he can take his place as a director and ambassador for Manchester United in the knowledge that he leaves behind a rich lexicon of phrases and one-liners. All their local awards are strictly named "awards", and I have not come across a single person who signed on with the SAF, in NUS and NTU who consider himself a "scholar", simply because the LSA is super easy to get. Nemanja Vidic: £7m from Spartak Moscow, Nemanja Vidic looked lost on his full debut for Manchester United. We can thank the outgoing Manchester United manager for "Fergie Time", "squeaky-bum time" and the immortal "Football. And haven't you heard of the grapevine? But no one disputes his ability or impact. as much as i respect the guys who take it up, they've got a totally different take on life. It's difficult to argue with that assessment. Someone restrain me, quick!Yes, uniform do drive (some)women wild *smitten*..And boy, did many faces flash by as I read each category and could put my friends' faces to everyone of them. Not many centre-backs score 19 goals in a season, but Steve Bruce managed it in 1990-91. Your support powers our independent journalism, Available for everyone, funded by readers, Wayne Rooney has removed the term 'Manchester United player' from his Twitter page and replaced it with 'NikeUK athlete', David Moyes was identified months ago by Manchester United as their ideal candidate to replace Sir Alex Ferguson. Otherwise you live to regret it. The SAF regrets that commanders in this incident did not perform their duties to ensure the well-being of soldiers under their care. Denis Irwin was so championed for being underrated that he became one of United's most celebrated players during his 12 years with the club. I've seen one JC SAFOS scholar in 42 (Cpt Khoo Teng Lip), looking damn tired, smoking heavily, but LL, still going thru captain tour (with no companies under him), doing sai gang during NDP. Agagooga, with regards to your aggrieved claim that I used the extraneous comments that SKH liked to make to invalidate his argument,allow me to further expand for better understanding on your part.By claiming so, you're alleging that his "innocuous" comments weren't peppered to buttress his arguments. Ferguson loved Ronaldo and was always keen to emphasise the bravery of the attacker, who was willing to carry the ball and make things happen. BTW, did you know that there're several classes of white horse? Before being sworn in as secretary of defense in the Bush administration, he served a grand total of 3 years in the navy (from 1954 to 1957) and the remaining 47 years in the private sector, which makes for your ‘their being from the military for most of their careers before their foray to politics’. It is easier to chance upon a white horse than a SAFOS in your camp. I shall disregard continued attempts on your part to distract the blog readers from this amusing fact through promulgation of random and inane primary-school style generalisations)2) Yes, but military training is not wholly applicable to civilian life, and many of them carry their SAF attitudes with them, which is why many people in those organisations are very pissed off. Stat boards are NOMINALLY not political. All SAFOS are already officers before they become scholars. Dimitar Berbatov: £30.75m from Tottenham Hotspur. Yup,now the contract is 10 years,but the benefits are you get your rank faster and also your pay rise will be more,the downside to SAF is there are lotsa restriction and rules to follow,also best to get a scholarship and sign on as officer as officers on scholarship tend to rise faster than the rest of officers provided you done nothing seriously wrong,for specialist side,10 … Do not think just because they think they are SAFOS scholars, they slack off..Precisely because they are SAFOS scholars, they have to proof themsevles moreHowever they are guaranteed a rank of LTC by the time they retire at 42. Why the hell would Agagooga know anything about what SAFOS scholars feel about their PC and OC tours? Cantona used to kill them." The lowest among them, is to qualify as "son of parents who make above 100K annually (includes bonuses)". SKH has no incontrovertible claim that his COL in particular, interacted with a grand total of 6 men in the Army. Hah! 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